tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5128492929915640762.comments2013-09-28T18:22:46.547-07:00The Kurdish CauseAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00292689221299389892noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5128492929915640762.post-72954966795870333772013-09-28T17:34:19.876-07:002013-09-28T17:34:19.876-07:00Hey, Resho! I'm doing a late pass through this...Hey, Resho! I'm doing a late pass through this charred turf. I haven't gotten Matthew to approve my comments on two posts yet. I think he's onto something and it's obviously interesting, getting its own page <a href="http://acloserlookonsyria.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Talk:Thermobaric_weapons" rel="nofollow">here</a>. <br /><br />I located and measure out the scene of the "Zamalka" strike the UN inspected. 75 meters east of #197, also in Hazeh. The comment you include about deflagration getting worse further from center might explain the burns and damage there. Please see what you think: <a href="http://acloserlookonsyria.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Talk:Thermobaric_weapons#Imagery_Analysis" rel="nofollow">imagery anlysis</a>Caustic Logichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03082923821952309709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5128492929915640762.post-49282038076975193262013-08-30T00:22:07.032-07:002013-08-30T00:22:07.032-07:00Tom,
That's a great clue. I'll keep it mi...Tom,<br /><br />That's a great clue. I'll keep it mind next time I bump into a chemistry expert.<br /><br />I also found out that the smell of ethylene oxide is sweet at high concentrations. That is, once you can smell it, you're in trouble.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00292689221299389892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5128492929915640762.post-44840067691772766952013-08-28T22:56:21.414-07:002013-08-28T22:56:21.414-07:00Thanks for writing this post, I found it very thou...Thanks for writing this post, I found it very thought provoking. I'm not sure if this adds anything but there is an interview in the British newspaper The Daily Mirror with a family who claim to have fled the area due to the attack. The mother says the following about the attack:<br /><br />'“It was terrifying,” she says, shaking her head in bewilderment. It was like white cotton falling to the ground. Falling on us.”<br /><br />http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/syria-chemical-attack-survivors-ran-2234806Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07987284547474443356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5128492929915640762.post-58256585178419205762013-08-28T22:42:55.899-07:002013-08-28T22:42:55.899-07:00The DIA report states that those two are the conve...The DIA report states that those two are the conventional substances used in FAEs. The report was written in 1993, and my inclusion of that quote was to introduce the fact that the chemical compounds used in thermobaric bombs are toxic if the bombs do not detonate. Also, what was used in thermobaric bombs back in 1993, might not be what is used today.<br /><br />In the case of ethylene oxide (which smells like ether), the person exposed to it shows a wide range of symptoms: skin, eyes and mucous membranes get infected, odd taste in your mouth, coughing, substernal pain, abdominal pain, nausea, vomiting, and encephalopathy. Just because it is less toxic than Sarin, doesn't make it harmless.<br /><br />Eye-witness accounts in the attacks differ as well. If it is a rebel soldier, he'll say that it smelled sweet or like rotten eggs. Civilian accounts say that it smells like cooking gas. Sarin, on the other, doesn't smell. It's odorless (per CDC, http://www.bt.cdc.gov/agent/sarin/basics/facts.asp).<br /><br />Another thing I'm curious about is whether atropine was delivered to the civilians. During military NBC training, they will tell you to not administer atropine if you have no cause to believe that a nerve agent has been used. It will lead to atropinization. In the case of Zamalka, and other places, if the civilian population and/or the local rebel administration have made the assumption that a nerve agent has been used, and if they have used atropine as result, it might not have helped. Thus easily making them believe that they need another shot, and another shot. Severe atropinization can lead to death. More symptoms of that here:<br /><br />http://armymedical.tpub.com/MD0534/MD05340049.htm<br /><br />Thanks for your comment, and the EPA links tip was great! Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00292689221299389892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5128492929915640762.post-29603820604499844272013-08-28T20:06:09.715-07:002013-08-28T20:06:09.715-07:00While there is no doubt that ethylene oxide and pr...While there is no doubt that ethylene oxide and propylene oxide are highly toxic, the DIA report may be a little misleading as to relative toxicity. According to US EPA Acute Exposure Guideline Levels (AEGL), Sarin appears to be about 4-5,000x more toxic than ethylene oxide, and over 20-30,000x more toxic than propylene oxide.<br /><br />http://www.epa.gov/oppt/aegl/pubs/results31.htm<br />http://www.epa.gov/oppt/aegl/pubs/results15.htm<br />http://www.epa.gov/oppt/aegl/pubs/results17.htmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5128492929915640762.post-37742510875066981002013-08-25T23:48:53.112-07:002013-08-25T23:48:53.112-07:00Hi, I'm another ACLOS member. I would not have...Hi, I'm another ACLOS member. I would not have found this, had though more mid-day, so what is east I thought northeast. But I had scanned around for the features in the videos. The spot identified is a very good match for all these. Not 100% sure, but the comparison images seem sound. I'm a little surprised that water tower to the west is never visible. Would help narrow things down, but you can only almost see it. <br /><br />Caustic Logichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03082923821952309709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5128492929915640762.post-74634096431648927152013-08-25T22:55:34.836-07:002013-08-25T22:55:34.836-07:00Petri,
Thank you for discussing this! You had not...Petri,<br /><br />Thank you for discussing this! You had noticed that the impact was slight off from a perfect northern origin, and I concur. The impact crater seen on picture #2 is showing that it is slightly favoring a NW origin.<br /><br />Now, I have to add that we don't know whether this missile flew straight (that is, whether the missile was perfectly aligned with its trajectory), due to its DIY nature. I believe that any type imperfections in the manufacturing (or welding) of the fins could have caused the missile to have its tail part slightly wobble (like a dart arrow thrown by a beginner).<br /><br />But I think these are trivialities, and the origin is still from the NORTH (with perhaps +/- 5-10 degrees deviation) or so.<br /><br />Thanks again, and please keep me updated!<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00292689221299389892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5128492929915640762.post-12903220137242328862013-08-25T21:51:36.194-07:002013-08-25T21:51:36.194-07:00We are investigating the attack and the mystery ro...We are investigating the attack and the mystery rocket here:<br /><br />A Closer Look On Syria<br /><a href="http://acloserlookonsyria.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Talk:Alleged_Chemical_Attack,_August_21,_2013#Rocket_impact_site" rel="nofollow">http://acloserlookonsyria.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Talk:Alleged_Chemical_Attack,_August_21,_2013#Rocket_impact_site</a>Petri Krohnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12630751579069253718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5128492929915640762.post-7015394842601384082013-08-25T20:50:28.195-07:002013-08-25T20:50:28.195-07:00Franck,
Thanks for your input! It seems to be Zam...Franck,<br /><br />Thanks for your input! It seems to be Zamalka, as discussed here (by Brown Moses, et al):<br /><br />https://plus.google.com/u/0/108344897173120412718/posts/6hfwLTS7dAr<br /><br />His sources has suggested that the impact occurred at this location:<br /><br />https://maps.google.com/maps?q=%2B33%C2%B0+31%27+14.62%22,+%2B36%C2%B0+21%27+26.81%22&ie=UTF8&ll=33.520811,36.357547&spn=0.002281,0.005284&t=h&z=18<br /><br />If this is the case (and the probability seems high), then it verifies that the missile was launched from a northern direction. Still speculations on who launched it and exactly from where. <br /><br />But this discussion is perhaps the ONLY one occurring on the net at the moment. We've at least done more than UN claims to have. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00292689221299389892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5128492929915640762.post-17240441770616479572013-08-25T15:43:33.113-07:002013-08-25T15:43:33.113-07:00correction this video says city of Zamalka at 0mn1...correction this video says city of Zamalka at 0mn11, also on the map<br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc6xL-N6f5MAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09522206726676331958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5128492929915640762.post-30954243834886219632013-08-25T15:28:01.454-07:002013-08-25T15:28:01.454-07:00The arabic word on the bottom left of your picture...The arabic word on the bottom left of your picture reads 'Irbin or 'arbin ( عربين ). It's one of the cities on your map. Could be the location.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09522206726676331958noreply@blogger.com